Re: General Comments - Mirasolkssr

2025/03/28 (Fri) 16:21:21

Are there any ScareLotte (Scarecrow x Charlotte) shippers in this fandom ｡ﾟ(ﾟ´Д｀ﾟ)ﾟ｡

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/03/27 (Thu) 07:53:06

i keep telling myself i need to compile the lore in the asks for the wiki but i have no idea where to start in organizing all of it

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/03/17 (Mon) 07:22:34

i think most of the living are used to whatever society they have and think of it as "normal" and are happy with it in that context

Re: General Comments - Pan

2025/03/13 (Thu) 22:28:56

Thought I had from rereading love (bienavota), I know it's been said a few times that there should be more shown about normal maldevaran society but i personally prefer how it is right now. It's been confirmed both that the Living are taken care of (maybe even spoiled based on the calls reception gets?) and they're happy with the marginals being around but also that the marginals are sadistic and that they hurt (or threaten to hurt) the living on a whim sometimes and i think the fact we never see how the contradiction is reconciled works better for this type of story

For me the two things it points to is that either the Marginals are lying about how happy the Living are under them (which would make Anthony right all along) or that the Marginals aren't really lying but that the culture they established is even weirder than it looks

Re: Re: General Comments - Anonymous

2025/03/11 (Tue) 12:02:16

>think one having ears actually fits the fact that one is the most empathetic and actually listens to other people's feelings

This actually does make more sense, I also find it interesting that One is the only body whose accessory would impede their feature’s sense (you can still see through glasses and braces don’t really impede speech but you can’t hear as well through earmuffs). It makes you think about how Reception feels about their more vulnerable and open side.

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/03/11 (Tue) 09:21:21

>One is the most timid, so has ears covered by earmuffs

i think one having ears actually fits the fact that one is the most empathetic and actually listens to other people's feelings while two and three can be snarkier and more dismissive

Re: General Comments - Anonymous

2025/03/09 (Sun) 12:56:58

Does anyone think that, besides the “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” motif, the three main Reception bodies’ designated facial feature reflects their personality. Three is loud and abrasive, so has a mouth, Two is focused and observant, so gets the eye and One is the most timid, so has ears covered by earmuffs. This is a bit of stretch, but it just popped into my head.

Re: General Comments - Null

2025/02/27 (Thu) 02:52:18

>i wonder if were gonna get more gamey mechanics in the future

yeah same it would be rly cool if so, the gameplays are quite interesting to go through sometimes

i wonder if were gonna have any more ghosty elements since it seems to be the few compared to alien and computer sidey

extra; for the game mechanics i wonder if were gonna get options on certain things that will be different each time you change options like whenever they have in breadavota 'yes or yes' and jacques essay mentioning other maldevarans always being polite and in carriage returns jacques mentioned he got a letter/choice of attending 'yes or yes?' with no other way round which seems to think maldevaran society in etiquette of politeness seems to deem some things you can't do or say like how the maldevarans acknowledged jacques outburst but do not specifically elucidate to it

it would be interesting if when you choice which side there would be different parts/images/etc

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/02/26 (Wed) 07:31:18

> thx yeah i had a theory he probably did, but i wonder how far his visions came /see/ though

looks like this actually got answered in an ask recently https://breadavota.cafe/ask#85

> breadavota has many game-like esque themes and jacques sitting down repeatedly reminds me of how the beginning of a game resets like how you die or go onto a new level

yeye i wonder if were gonna get more gamey mechanics in the future, since breadavota is so homestuck inspired i expect the game mechanics to be more used in the future

Re: General Comments - Null

2025/02/25 (Tue) 02:23:17

>OOOOHHH nice find!! since anthony can see visions of jacques he probably did that on purpose to mock him

thx yeah i had a theory he probably did, but i wonder how far his visions came /see/ though

I probably need to re-read carriage returns since when it first posted i just skimmed, but kii when you mentioned abt jacques sitting back down like the restart of a typewriter is interesting since breadavota has many game-like esque themes and jacques sitting down repeatedly reminds me of how the beginning of a game resets like how you die or go onto a new level, but particularly the repetitive actions are similar to a time loop style of games (like ISAT, STP etc).

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/02/24 (Mon) 16:03:48

forgot to purple my text failed homestuck fan

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/02/24 (Mon) 16:03:10

ngl i didnt know what a carriage return was at first and had to google it but its the name of how a typewriter goes back to the beginning after each line xd

i just reread the story earlier today and i noticed that jacques sitting down after each daydream he has is like a carriage return, idk if intentional but cool stylistic choice if so

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/02/24 (Mon) 16:00:55

> did anyone else notice anthony says the same thing (in Carriage Returns) as jacques does to media in An Archetype of a Person, ?

OOOOHHH nice find!! since anthony can see visions of jacques he probably did that on purpose to mock him

Re: General Comments - Null

2025/02/24 (Mon) 03:35:05

did anyone else notice anthony says the same thing (in Carriage Returns) as jacques does to media in An Archetype of a Person, ?

- PR4 'Quite frankly, I had hoped you'd be able to understand me but right now I get the sense that you're just judging me.'
PR6 'I had hoped you'd be able to understand me but right now I get the sense that you're just judging me.'

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/02/04 (Tue) 19:16:58

sars christmas outfit is distinctly krakowian though so i think anthony is just based on being "fauxlish" as a whole and not a particular poland group

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/02/04 (Tue) 19:14:25

i was googling for "polish folk costumes" to look for what anthony wears in pr6 and it looks like the clothes of gorale (polish highlanders). idk polish culture but here's a thread of actual poles talking about stereotypes for them

https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/12h6ghu/could_someone_please_explain_to_me_the_polish/

it looks like they're stereotyped as super conservative "mountain people" which would make anthony a parallel for jacques kinda, although thats assuming people from gdyskoti are meant to be like that

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/02/01 (Sat) 22:02:55

re: the carriage return cover art

why does anthony always get the best outfits in this comic highkey.....

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/01/28 (Tue) 22:19:40

>Is there anything I'm supposed to read before reading the story? I've skimmed through it but it feels like there's a lot of prerequisite info I'm missing, maybe I missed something but the story confuses me.

the story's confusing just because the author is shit at writing, not because you "need" to read anything prerequisite

Re: General Comments - a

2025/01/28 (Tue) 21:49:36

Is there anything I'm supposed to read before reading the story? I've skimmed through it but it feels like there's a lot of prerequisite info I'm missing, maybe I missed something but the story confuses me.

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/01/22 (Wed) 20:29:31

in reference 2 the last answered ask: its rly funny 2 me that tinrymin is pronounced like the benadryl medicine (diphenhydramine)

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/01/21 (Tue) 08:07:45

>it looks like the story is setting up that mental illness diagnoses seem to be given to all judges by default

i want 2 see the maldevaran version of the dsm xD

Re: General Comments - Null

2025/01/21 (Tue) 03:05:00

that's an interesting concept to think about gui. with the judges apparently having another purpose before i wonder if we're gonna see more into it and the psychological stuff w/ the mental diagnoses

on some of the further reading there's some other marginal names dropped like forestry and even one on bien's blog ig

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/01/20 (Mon) 11:53:26

i'm interested in hearing more about psychology though, it's always cool when other marginals get namedropped even if we're probably not gonna see them in the main story. it looks like the story is setting up that mental illness diagnoses seem to be given to all judges by default, which reinforces the general idea of breadavota as a whole as a commentary on psychiatry

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/01/20 (Mon) 11:52:02

i think all the tasks the judges are made to do are called "trials" as a catch-all term. chapter 1 with jacques hearing bread's plea out was also a trial. the judges are like faux politicians who are only politicians by name/"legally" but they don't actually do much with politics directly, so it follows that "trials" aren't all that similar to irl trials.

Re: General Comments - Null

2025/01/20 (Mon) 03:32:35

you guys have any thoughts on pr6 having a Trial in the story? i just remember in sar's notes on the Court about the trials and that we get to see 1 (if vaguely-ish)

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/01/18 (Sat) 21:47:40

>media sounded like one of those not bothered mothers who's children are fighting for the 100th time & is like 'yeah, okay, what do you want me to do about it?'

frfr its interseting 2 see media before he starts obsession over jacques, he was alot more dismissive

>If jacques is willing to abandon his family and become a judge all because of his delusions the fact that he'd tolerate being sexually harassed without saying anything makes sense for his character

fair enough, makes sense

>he can tell himself that he wasn't at fault and that any fantasy he has is just a "coping mechanism" that he's earned by virtue of being traumatized instead of a fucked-up kink he was born with

sooo true i jacques so much hes such a unique ccharacter when it comes to portrayal of trauma survivors

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/01/17 (Fri) 01:15:11

it's not something exclusive to """the discourse""" it's just that that's obviously the intention pr6 had. i think you already got it with the mention of jacques being a "bad" victim.

jacques not resisting at all and getting turned on by violence (while also feeling embarrassed cause of it) is used to victim blame him, and blatantly at that when anthony says he "let" it happen

when he imagines anthony doing what would be in his culture an explicit act of assault anthony pressures him into admitting he thought about it and then chooses not to go through with it since his goal in harassing jacques isn't about the harassment itself but trying to rub in the idea that jacques not only "deserves" it but "wants" it

i remember it said somewhere (idk where i forgor) that anthony's not sadistic, he's just vengeful, so he doesn't find it fun to mistreat jacques for the sake of mistreatment but because he's just getting back at him (most likely because of something jacques hasn't actually done yet but that anthony already saw in a vision).

jacques's paraphilias are one of the primary reasons he adopted lovelessness, he never says this outright (and instead blames it on the schizotypy) but it's heavily implied, he tells charlotte the reason he feels alienated from love is because the type of "love" he felt was considered unacceptable by others, and he also wrote that essay criticizing the idea that thinking about something is the same as actually doing it. since it's one of the main factors in his oppression, and possibly the one he's most sensitive about (because unlike the blindness and schizotypy, which he publicly "identifies" with, he never explicitly calls himself a paraphile in the story) that's the part of his identity anthony chooses to target.

the reason anthony doesn't go through with unbinding jacques' tail is because he already knew jacques would fantasize about it if he threatened he would do it, and he wants jacques to feel "accountable" for "wanting" to be assaulted. if anthony actually did it then even if jacques still gets traumatized he can tell himself that he wasn't at fault and that any fantasy he has is just a "coping mechanism" that he's earned by virtue of being traumatized instead of a fucked-up kink he was born with

Re: General Comments - Pan

2025/01/16 (Thu) 20:21:51

I'd be interested in hearing more about that if you wanna elaborate gui I'm not really that well-versed with paraphile discourse to get if there's some implication i'm missing from the story

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/01/16 (Thu) 14:09:03

>and yeah there's the more obvious message where jacques is a portral of the type of victim who is seen as a "bad" victim

yeah the story's less a "story" and really more like an exploration of the concept of jacques being a paraphiliac. there's a vaguely sociopolitical undertone in the story that makes it less... "interesting" to me i guess but it's whatever. it's not the first time and it's not gonna be the last when that's basically the only function of jacques as a character. i'm biased here maybe because i already "agree" with the message it's trying to send regarding paraphiliac discourse so maybe it comes off as extra contrived to me, i can see why in terms of stories that use sexual abuse for drama this is arguably a thoughtful portrayal. it's the type of shit i can imagine annoying youtube video essayists could rage a fit about so you know it's good lmfao. the angel dust of breadavota.

Re: General Comments - Pan

2025/01/16 (Thu) 07:54:02

I think the fact that anthony's so evil here is the criticism that makes more sense and having him be more subtly manipulative would be more interesting but at the same time i think since sar is already more "subtle" i think anthony being like this was kinda necessary to show some kind of distinction between them

Re: General Comments - Pan

2025/01/16 (Thu) 07:51:39

>i think if they knew each other well and were established moral enemies atp i find it less jarring i think its more that since this is their first meeting its hard 2 believe that jacques didnt have a stronger reaction 2 it

> but idk i might be biting myself in the ass here since i think the intensity of jacques being a victim who gets victim blamed for not fighting back is probably the point. the last monologue anthony has makes me want to beat his ass 2 death

Yeah I first had a similar thought but after rereading everything and thinking it over I'm gonna have to disagree with you here kii i think jacques being so passive here not only makes sense to me now it feels like the ONLY way it would make sense

At this point of time it doesn't look like jacques has his "normal" level of attachment to media but is still suffering from his erotomanic delusions, the only reason he went to meet anthony was because media told him to go

If jacques is willing to abandon his family and become a judge all because of his delusions the fact that he'd tolerate being sexually harassed without saying anything makes sense for his character (and yeah there's the more obvious message where jacques is a portral of the type of victim who is seen as a "bad" victim)

Re: General Comments - Pan

2025/01/16 (Thu) 07:27:22

Also missed last night the underlined words that have notes when you hover over them, it mentions of jacques's erotomania

>alth w/ 'sexual harassment' i wouldn't say it was that EXPLICIT

Yeah it has to do with the fact that we as humans don't have tails and don't have a sexual connotation to them. Though most birds in the story don't (based on what jacques's left brain says) and in the present day jacques doesn't hide his tail anymore so there was never any reason to believe it was "sexual" before

Jacques is still following passrynian practices here so /he/ personally thinks having his tail exposed/untied is a sexual act. I think it's like how some muslims believe that taking off the hijab is sinful or immodest even though most non-muslims don't think of hair as sexual. It's a cultural norm and maybe a religious one for jacques (since it's been said before the passrynians have their own religion)

Re: General Comments - Pan

2025/01/16 (Thu) 07:11:27

Tried to read it more deeply, looks like there actually is a slight difference in the writing, the fantasies are written in present tense and reality in past tense

Re: Re: General Comments - Null

2025/01/16 (Thu) 05:18:16

yeah i have to agree with pan ab the fantasy and reality separations though in a way you can kind of tell which is which (sorta).

Holy shite i didn't expect there to actually be a sexual contents warning even though i knew it had been mentioned about being shown soon (alth w/ 'sexual harassment' i wouldn't say it was that EXPLICIT).
you can definitely see the differences of anthony and sar, like i was also expecting him to be rude and an asshole but not THAT much, y'know, but their personalities and accents seem to be completely separate with anthony being crude & majorly violent & sar being polite and adopting a more formal tone.

it was quite interesting to see jacques's pov in a prose for once with his different hemispheres and thoughts in the situations. media sounded like one of those not bothered mothers who's children are fighting for the 100th time & is like 'yeah, okay, what do you want me to do about it?' when jacques was asking ab anthony & when he was being harassed

Re: General Comments - Pan

2025/01/15 (Wed) 23:28:28

I'm too thrown off by the writing where the fantasies and reality aren't separated at all I thought the tail scene was actually happening and didn't fully realize it was another fantasy until I read your comment, Kii

Tbf i'm sleep deprived I'll try to reread tommorow and see if I understand better I'm not that surprised with anthony's personality here considering sar also has the vague sex-but-not-really abuse, I would expect jacques to be more resistant since he's not all that patient in the main comic but I can give it a pass both because he's younger here and since in the main comic almost all his convos are just with media and he can probably be more assertive around him.

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/01/15 (Wed) 20:37:16

idk like taking the story on its own i think its a good work, i always like rpps writing style and the different ways they experiment with stream of consciousness even with "plain" prose, i think im just not as siked with this one only on the basis that its 2 different from the other prose stories (imo) that it takes some time 2 rly digest. tonally its similar to it always rains w/ being serious stories abt abuse (and ofc its always jacques as the victim xD) but its written in a different style thats less poetic and more "literal"

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/01/15 (Wed) 20:32:41

just sum random thoughts on the newest prose story (spoilers ofc)

the cws shocked me when i saw the sexual harassment, i knew it would happen in the story eventually but i dont expect it already lol. i liked the concept of the story but i do think pacing-wise it would be better 2 have it after a1-6 but its fine ig. anthony is one of my faves so seeing him be the focus is still a plus imo and its one of the few times we actually get 2 see how much of an asshole he rly is

the way anthony curses so much made me go "breadavota if it was written by vivziepop" ngl anthony talks differently from sar and even has a different accent? idk if its an "accent" or like his homestuck quirk but the pronouncing of you as ya and to as ta and stuffs like that

jacques is younger here and while hes still very jacques i think his personality does look a lil diff from the jacques of the current story. hes alot more submissive than i expected (hes submissive in the present story but not so much) ig living with media made him more assertive?

the scenes with the fingers and with the tail were... interesting to say the least
im lowkey surprised that anthony *didnt* go thru w/ showing jacques tail

the passrynians seem 2 hide their tails for modesty purposes, theres already alot of drawings of jacques w/ his tail bound but i think this is the first time we get the reason why. jacques doesnt bind his tail in the present story tho so it looks like he got over it

the tail scene was obviously an allegory for sexual assault and even tho it didnt technically happen i think the fact jacques thought about it at so much detail is interesting, its probably the most explicit the story has ever gotten (altho the footnotes also say that) and yea its not like EXPLICIT explicit but its just more direct than anything else we ever see in the story that it actually threw me off the first time i read it ngl. at least it does its goal of emphasizing jacques as a paraphile and tbh i think the angle of jacques being an "unsympathetic" victim and the constant subtext that one reason he doesnt resist is that he "likes" being assaulted is rly not a portrayal that i see often

if i have any criticisms i think theres some handful of weirdness w/ the character writing but idk. jacques being the obvious fave makes some woobying kinda predictable i think his "pitifulness" on its own isnt rly all that severe *yet* but i think the reason its a little off 2 me is that it feels 2 similar 2 bien, breadavota already has alot of rly similar characters which ig is the "point" but i hope if we get more of jacthony interactions we can see jacques act in ways that distinguish him from bien more. i think the fact that jacques barely speaks is similar to how bien never speaks (even tho in this case its not the metanarrative removal but just him literally being quiet), its likely an intentional parallel that serves the *themes* so not surprised there, just doesnt serve the *characters* all that well

my main issue is anthony (said by the og anthony stannie), i think hes too mean like i kno we all been knew he was an asshole but i wasnt expecting him 2 be this much of an asshole? or its more like i did expect him 2 be an asshole, its just that next 2 jacques it kinda feels 2 much. in the story w/ aquinas, her being more sarcastic and assertive "neutralized" the dynamic a lil, but here the power dynamic is just way 2 big. i think if they knew each other well and were established moral enemies atp i find it less jarring i think its more that since this is their first meeting its hard 2 believe that jacques didnt have a stronger reaction 2 it

but idk i might be biting myself in the ass here since i think the intensity of jacques being a victim who gets victim blamed for not fighting back is probably the point. the last monologue anthony has makes me want to beat his ass 2 death

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/01/09 (Thu) 15:40:28

im trying 2 read the hs epilogues again (never got 2 finish its just a lottttt) and as much as breadavota is compared to hs i kinda feel like breadavota is like the epilogues/hsbc that doesnt feel so intent on shitting over itself

Re: General Comments - kii URL

2025/01/09 (Thu) 15:33:39

based

bien rly rose up the ranks of being a fave bcuz of his blog imo

Re: General Comments - gui

2025/01/09 (Thu) 10:11:01

rereading this part is what reminded me i wanted to make this trend

bien's writing style is great for his character and i think having a blog in his pov is the main reason bien comes off as the most developed so far despite his overall blandness otherwise. with this particular quote i liked the vibe of how it sorta sounds like he's saying something that makes sense but at the same time it's hard to imagine what this place he's describing looks like. and his shitty art doesn't help

i think the most vocal readers (the famous three breadposters) find sar and bien really engaging more than even the breadavota mascot jacques i mean bread i mean jacques because rpp's writing style is more focused on a quality of prose than on actual plot progression.

sar and bien's main appearances being written in their actual perspectives instead of watched from the outside is just written more effectively imo than the rest of the story, where it's kinda obvious rpp can't string a series of events together coherently (breadavota pacing haters unite)

kii (hi) had a good way of putting that, about how the characters are often kept locked inside a room and not really "doing" anything, and the choice to keep bien locked inside both literally and metaphorically the smallest spaces possible instead of making him do some actual demonic shit like the apocalypse stuff plays to the story's strengths (and weaknesses imo). i don't think it's "great" in terms of moving forward the plot in a way that doesn't feel suffocating (though i recognize that's half the point) but i also get the feeling that it isn't really likely a more plot-focused progression would be as interesting or effective in establishing the atmosphere that locking bien in a room would have

i don't exactly want to use this word but i can't think of a better one, breadavota to me is a really think-y cerebral story that cares little if any about more than showing how the characters think, and i don't mean in a biographical way where we learn "what are the likes and dislikes, what are the motivations, what is his backstory?" but i guess something more introspective (or even something purely introspective), the whole schizoshit of HOW the characters think, the way they associate concepts with each other and how they try to explain the relations of their associations